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Yeltsin, Boris

(yel'-tseen)

Boris Nikolayevich Yeltsin, a popular and outspoken Soviet politician, was elected executive president of the Russian republic on June 13, 1991. He became the first democratically elected president in Russia's history. Yeltsin was born on Feb. 1, 1931, in a village in the Sverdlovsk district near the Ural Mountains. He studied engineering and construction and worked his way up the Communist party hierarchy. Brought to Moscow from Sverdlovsk by Mikhail Gorbachev, Yeltsin became (December 1985) head of the Moscow Communist party organization, but was removed from that post when he broke with Gorbachev in 1987.

In 1989 he made a spectacular comeback when he was elected a delegate to the Congress of People's Deputies. After building an independent political base for himself, he resigned (1990) from the Communist party. As head of the Russian republic and chairman of the Russian parliament, Yeltsin is a forceful advocate of change and rivals Gorbachev among the leaders of the USSR. The Russian republic, one of 15 in the Soviet Union, includes threeнquarters of the territory of the USSR, one-half of its population, and a large percentage of its natural resources.

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Subject: Re: Coup? What coup?

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In a previous article, lmb@sat.com (Larry Blair) says:

>Pretty slick, that Gorbachev. In one fell swoop he eliminated his old guard >opposition, renewed his popular backing, and made a saint out of his `opponent' >(who happens to have the same aims). Even the Baltic republics are sounding >more conciliatory. Check and mate!

>If you doubt any of this, consider how head of the KGB, the army, and the >Supreme Soviet (all of whom were never actually seen) could be stupid enough >to run a coup so disorganized that they didn't even bother to arrest their >prime opponent before taking over.

>--

>Larry Blair lmb@sat.com {apple,decwrl}!sat!lmb

Well, you may be right. Perhaps the Coup leaders would want to spend

the remainder of their lives in jail for the sake of Gorby, however, if

you are going to convince mr of this then you will need to provide facts that I can believe.

Dave

"If we deny love that is given to us, if we refuse to give love

because we fear the pain of loss, then our lives will be empty, our loss greater."

-Tanis Half-Elven (from DragonLance)

aq039@cleveland.freenet.edu Dave Johnson

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Subject: It's all over!

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Great news!

I have just heard on the BBC that TASS has made an announcement that

all troops are to leave Moscow. The junta are apparently en route for Kirghizia, and Lukyanov, Ivashko, Rutsko, Silayev and Western diplomats

are on a plane to the Crimea to visit Gorbachev, apparently in excellent health.

I think we all knew that this coup would end, but I only hoped it might

end this soon. What next? My guess is some sort of interim govt, leading

to a new Union Treaty. I also believe that the only way that Gorbachev coul become President again would be by direct Universal election, which is

not all that likely, although Yeltsin might not stand against him. Right now all we can do is give thanks that it is all over

Tom Adshead

St Antony's College

Oxford

England

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Subject: Re: coup seems to be over

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In a previous article, song@berault.ics.uci.edu (Xiping Song) says:

>In article <1991Aug21.204535.21315@cbnewsk.att.com> markg@cbnewsk.att.com (mark.r.gibaldi) writes: >>In article <1991Aug21.141153.18266@cc.tut.fi> kapa@ee.tut.fi (Kankaala Kari) writes:

>>>

>>The other two major causes of the coup failure (in my opinion) would

>>seem to be the very talented Political manuvering done by Yeltsin, and

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^ >>

>>Mark R. Gibaldi

>>BELL LABS

>>Internet: mrg@cblph.att.com or 70531,1170.compuserve.com >>CompuServe : 70531,1170

> Can you be more specific about this? I am not very impressed

with

>what Yeltsin have done in this coup. I think that he is just lucky.

>The coup leaders are too weak. If the coup leaders were really united and >determined to win, he would have been killed or arrested.

> Do you remember that, Yeltsin told Majors that "I think that I

do not

>have much time left!" in yesterday(?)

I believe that Yeltsin was refering to the fact that he did not

have much

time left before the parliment (sp?) building was attacked not that he

didn't have much time before he was taken captive.

I do believe, however, that Yeltsin did get rather lucky in the

fact that

the coup leaders did not shut him up early in the coup. Yeltsin did, however show good political manipulation in getting the people to rally around him.

Both the fact that the coup leaders were weak and that Yeltsin handled

the situation the way he did were important in the demise of the Coup.

To say one is less important that the other is rather trivial. Dave

"If we deny love that is given to us, if we refuse to give love because we fear the pain of loss, then our lives will be empty, our loss greater."

-Tanis Half-Elven (from DragonLance)

aq039@cleveland.freenet.edu Dave Johnson

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Subject: Re: Did Gorby and Yeltsin organise the Coup? (Was: Aftermath of the Coup)

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In article <1991Aug22.005335.520@agate.berkeley.edu> jbuck@forney.berkeley.edu (Joe Buck) writes:

>In article <tym.682818868@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au>, tym@dibbler.cs.monash.edu.au (Tim MacKenzie) writes:

>|> It seems to me that the people who are gaining most out of this coup are

>|> actually those who it was apparently against (Gorby and Yeltsin).

>|> It appears to be strange that neither of these men were harmed, and >|> extremely weird that Yeltsin was left free.

>|>

>|> Either the men who were (apparently) organising the Coup were rather >|> disorganised, or there were other organisers who intended the Coup to >|> fail in order to boost their (inter)national standing.

>Oh, bullshit.

>If Gorby and Yeltsin organized the coup, and the whole thing was a fake, >please tell me how they recruited the committee. How did they get a >group of men at the very top of the bureaucracy to, in effect, toss away >their careers for the life in prison or death by firing squad that >probably awaits them?

But no, you see; it's a little more complicated than that. Gorbachev didn't conspire with the Gang of Eight, he manipulated them. Pasty white fingers playing them like marionettes, drawing the hardliners into a trap of his own making to choke like fish in a barrel. And a pleasant four-day weekend in sunny Sevastopol, too. The master politician, the King-Hell Bureaucrat of All Time, strikes again; mate in twenty-six. Genghis Khan, Gary Kasparov, Lee Atwater: the greatest strategists of the millennium barely fit to taste the hot dust on his bootlaces.

If you believe it all, that is. Either Misha's the last-god of political windsurfing, the edge of his unsinkable Soviet surfboard dipping into the trough of one towering whitecap only to thrust him skyward with tremendous popular momentum over the next giant wave, or he's a happy-faced but indecisive klutz whose rickety old junk, caught between two savage typhoons without the steam to evade either, has finally started to feel the water bursting through the seams of its hitherto-inexhaustible holdful of luck. I'll reserve my judgment; your mileage may vary. But I wonder if the Soviet power ladder of vicious bureaucratic backbiting brings stronger men to the top than the American system of feel-good soundbites.

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Subject: Re: Putsch or coup?

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In article <1991Aug21.221546.3250@newshost.anu.edu.au>

cmf851@csc2.anu.edu.au (Albert Langer) writes: >

>I just LOVE the way the mass media and Western heads of Government

>enthuse over mass movements bringing down "reactionary regimes" >through action on the streets. They sang a different tune when >similar mass action on the streets overthrew de Gaulle's >Government in France and helped defeat U.S. aggression against >Vietnam in the late 1960s and early 1970s. No doubt they

>....

I'm not sure which mass action on the streets you're referring to. Thanks the so-called peace demonstration in the U.S., the Vietnamese communists could have a free hand in taking over a country and wrecking it with their stupid ideology. Wake up, Albert! Do you know that

the victors in Vietnam are the most hardline communists in the world? Even now they're still clinging to Communism whereas their former bosses have to admit that it's corrupt and unworkable.

And they succeeded in taking over Vietnam not by "mass movements" but by tanks, artillery, etc... Every time they took over city people tried to flee the other way. And when they took over the whole country, everyone tries to leave!

>Of course it suits anti-Communists in the West to call those regimes >"Communist" and "hardline" more often than they admit to them being >"right-wing" (and in fact it was quite surprising for Bush to make >that admission). One can hardly blame anti-

Communists for taking >advantage of the fact that these fascist thugs DO dress up in

>red stars and hammer and sickle emblems and claim to be Communist. >

So how do you classify the current regime in Vietnam?

>It is understandable that most democrats in the Soviet Union >hate Lenin, Stalin and Communism bitterly, since their oppressors >are said to be Leninists, Stalinists and Communists. But as I have >argued in another message, they will have to act with at least >some of the ruthlessness of Lenin and Stalin to SUPPRESS their >opponents if they want an end to the slavish legacy of servility >that has allowed such creeps as the Brezhnevites to stultify the >and for the people shall not perish from this earth".

Ah! You've been reading too much of that Marxist rubbish.

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Subject: Re: Did Gorby and Yeltsin organise the Coup? (Was: Aftermath of

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In article <TPS-L%91082119460551@INDYCMS.BITNET> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.bitnet> writes: >On Wed, 21 Aug 1991 23:54:28 GMT Tim MacKenzie said:

>>It seems to me that the people who are gaining most out of this coup are

>>actually those who it was apparently against (Gorby and Yeltsin).

>>It appears to be strange that neither of these men were harmed, and >>extremely weird that Yeltsin was left free.

>Weird because he was surrounded by so many people? The troops et al >knew any moves they made would be circulated worldwide. I think they'd >have captured Yeltsin if they could have conveniently, but /c so

>many witnesses around, they'd have had to really gotten bloody and >then a guaranteed civil war would have occurred...

They learned from the Tian An Meng event. They knew if they did in a bloody way, the whole world will be against them. Life will be so bad even they succeeded.

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Subject: Re: Coup? What coup?

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In article <1991Aug21.214504.25244@sat.com> lmb@sat.com (Larry Blair) writes: >Pretty slick, that Gorbachev. In one fell swoop

he eliminated his old guard >opposition, renewed his popular backing, and made a saint out of his `opponent' >(who happens to have the same aims). Even the Baltic republics are sounding

>more conciliatory. Check and mate!

>--

>Larry Blair lmb@sat.com {apple,decwrl}!sat!lmb

It's only a joke.

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Thanks to all those brave people in the Soviet Union, especially those netlanders at DEMOS and other sites for stopping the world slipping back into the cold war and darkness.

Latest: ITN reports at 2115 GMT/2215 BST & CET:

Yeltsin warns of possible last-ditch special forces attack on Russian Parliament.

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WHAT IS the

ftp address for the documenrts that are archived?!?

i lost it...

Later...

Avery Glasser

sorry to take up the bandwidth

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Subject: The coup resist volution

The

networked revolutii on

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The following story -- posted for reasons which should become obvious -- will appear in a newspaper Thursday and possibly on

the Associated Press wire service if it was submitted by my editors. (RC)

COMPUTER NETWORKS KEPT INFORMATION FLOWING DURING COUP

By Rogers Cadenhead

Fort Worth Star-Telegram

DENTON, Texas -- The message relayed from Moscow to a Soviet immigrant in the United States was brief and to the point.

"You got out of here just in time," the Russian message said. "If those dogs win, for certain they'll throw us all in prison -нwe distributed the proclamation of Yeltsin together with forbidden communiques from Interfax throughout the entire Soviet Union."

The messenger signed off, "Greetings from the underground." The short note, spread throughout the West on computer

networks, was one of many transmitted during the Soviet crisis. Borrowing a tactic used by Chinese students during the June 1989 Tiananmen Square uprisings, Soviets used electronic mail, or Eнmail, as a tool against the takeover.

While messages from Russian President Boris Yeltsin and other coup opponents were being sent throughout Asia, Europe and North America this week, the committee that tried to seize power either didn't know about, or couldn't keep up with, the instantaneous transmissions.

Through database networks such as CompuServe, which set up a special discussion forum on the crisis, and InterNet, a worldwide network of universities, military sites and businesses, computer users transmitted firsthand reports of the crisis.

Soviets also used the channels to transmit and read banned news reports from the Russian Information Agency, the Interfax news agency and Baltic nationalists.

"Our net turned out to be a means of communication of the forces of resistance," one Muscovite said. "I am really proud of it, but it's really dangerous."

The unprecedented connection was made possible by the introduction of thousands of personal computers into the Soviet Union under President Mikhail Gorbachev. This week, it put a kink into plans to control the flow of information.

"It is a tribute to our modern Gutenberg revolution, computerнmediated communication, that at the darkest hour we were getting almost instant E-mail," said Sam Lanfranco, a network member at York University in Canada. "It allowed them to be everywhere and us to be there."

GlasNet, a Soviet network, is named for the glasnost, or

openness, that allowed its creation. It stayed on line throughout the crisis, one network director said, "maybe because GlasNet is quite new, and the Soviet Pinochets still are not aware of our existence."

His name, like all those from the Soviet Union, have been

omitted in this report to protect them, at the request of American computer organizers such as John Harlan. Harlan is director of the Russia and Her Neighbors network project, which has headquarters in South Bend, Ind.

Soviets who regularly communicated with the West were surprised that they could still send electronic mail out of the country after the takeover.

"They were foolish enough until now not to break E-mail link with West sites," one man wrote in halting English. "I think this won't last too long, but I think also that putsch won't last long also."

During the apex of the crisis, eyewitness accounts were

filed by protesters who attended rallies at the Russian

Parliament, the white marble building that has come to be called the Russian White House.

"Yesterday, impressions filled me with optimism," wrote one

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In article <1991Aug20.194442.13677@javelin.sim.es.com> krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers) writes:

> Could someone post or e-mail a list of how to transliterate the > characters generated by Vadim Antonov's Russian postings?

The following are the cyrillic letters in the alphabetical order

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I cannot recall the code for this letter | (tverdyj znak)

Kostq

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In article <1991Aug20.194442.13677@javelin.sim.es.com>

krogers@javelin.sim.es.com (K. Rogers) writes:

> Could someone post or e-mail a list of how to transliterate the > characters generated by Vadim Antonov's Russian postings?

The following are the cyrillic letters in the alphabetical order

a b w g d e v z i j k l m n o p r s t u f h c ^ [ ] ? y x | @ q

I cannot recall the code for this letter | (tverdyj znak)

Kostq

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Subject: Re: Coup? What coup?

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In article <1991Aug21.214504.25244@sat.com> lmb@sat.com (Larry Blair) writes: >[...Gorbachev organized the coup as a trick...] Uh, yeah, really canny of him to do it this way...

He must be some sort of super-genius, though, since in

order to make it look realistic he had to get these 8 people (and a few hundred others) to pretend to oppose his every political action for 9 years, at a cost of billions of dollars of lost time and progress, and then turn around

and sacrifice their careers and possibly their lives for him... (For our friends in other lands: I'm being sarcastic. Larry has just made perhaps the silliest statement ever uttered in

an electronic message, and I would be remiss if I didn't take

a lighthearted poke at him while refuting his silly claim.

Maybe he was being sarcastic, too. Let's hope so.)

--Blair

"Well, I suppose this argument had

to be started and finished, some time..."

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In article <1991Aug21.214504.25244@sat.com> lmb@sat.com (Larry Blair) writes: >[...Gorbachev organized the coup as a trick...] Uh, yeah, really canny of him to do it this way...

He must be some sort of super-genius, though, since in

and sacrifice their careers and possibly their lives for him... (For our friends in other lands: I'm being sarcastic. Larry has just made perhaps the silliest statement ever uttered in

an electronic message, and I would be remiss if I didn't take

a lighthearted poke at him while refuting his silly claim.

Maybe he was being sarcastic, too. Let's hope so.)

--Blair

"Well, I suppose this argument had

to be started and finished, some time..."

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Subject: Re: Great Going, Bush!

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minch@lotka.Stanford.EDU (Eric Minch) writes:

>Furthermore,

>Gorbachev--whatever his faults--has certainly been working harder to make life

>in the S.U. (and the world) better than Bush has for us in the U.S.. And

The utter idiocy of this statement escapes any reason. Why don't you

go a few years back, month by month, carefully, and watch the tanks and soldiers in Baltics and other republics terrorize and enslave people in those republics, sent there by your beloved Messiah Gorby. Why don't you go over an absolute lack of any internal economic policy. Why don't you start using your brain before you shout slogans you heard on Telegraph Avenue in Berkeley.

And to all those moaning about US not sending $100,000,000,000: I lived in a country occupied by this murderous monster for 21 years and don't feel like supplying them now with my tax money until this joke collapses. If you want to send your money so much, why don't you do it and shut up. Why do you want so much to dispose of *my* money?

Tony

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my American position I hope only for democracy and freedom for the people. It seems to me that reinstating Gorbachov is not such a great step forward since he is still a communist party man. What is needed is a clean break

with the past - a democratic revolution to setup a new democratic order. Right now seems like the best time for any republic to

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Newsgroups: soc.culture.nordic,soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: Bye-bye Gorby. . .

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>masterminded by Gorby himself, in order to win popular support and be >able to "win" his way back and purge the old hard-liners once and for >all. This might sound far-fetched but look at the following "facts": >

I think their hand was forced by Yakovlev's announcement on Friday. It may be that they felt they had no choice but to move before they were actually ready.

The tentative moves they made are evidence of the realization that they weren't successful just 'declaring' themselves in power. Maybe they thought they could scare people into rolling over.