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From: rsl@well.sf.ca.us (Roy Stuart Levin)

Newsgroups: talk.politics.guns,talk.politics.soviet Subject: Re: Coup "Can it happen here?"

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Date: 20 Aug 91 14:58:46 GMT

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That's what I've been trying to tell these people all along: hunting rights and shooting drug crazed burglars is not what the 2nd is all about: A police state and occupation by professional armies is what it was all about when the Founding Fathers wrote it, and today when we have a professional

army instead of a universally drafted one, and a police state where the public has given incredible powers to Darryl Gates and his thugs. It can happen here, you'd better believe it. As a matter of fact, I would venture to prophecy that when they've got all the guns IT WILL HAPPEN HERE, since there will be nothing to stop them. By then the masses will be so brainwashed with the idea of "it's necessary for the police and military to have all this power to save us from chaos" that they will be asked to seize control. That's basically what's happening in Russia. A population unused to democracy but suffering economically and from social disorder would rather have order restored by despotism. Since that's all they've ever known anyway, its more

familiar to them then the growing pains of democratization and a shift to

a free market economy.

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From: rdavis@convex.com (Ray Davis)

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Subject: Soviet Coup: write the house of representatives (3 of 3) Summary: Soviet Coup Info

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----- The House of Representatives ----- (part 3 of 3) Representative Charles Rose (D-7th)

Fayetteville, NC

Office phone (in DC): 202-225-2731

Agriculture

House Administration

Representative W. G. (Bill) Hefner (D-8th)

Concord, NC

Office phone (in DC): 202-225-3715

Appropriations

Representative J. Alex McMillan (R-9th)

Charlotte, NC

Office phone (in DC): 202-225-1976

Energy and Commerce

Representative Cass Ballenger (R-10th)

Representative Jaime B. Fuster

San Juan, PR

Office phone (in DC): Unknown Education and Labor

Foreign Affairs

Interior and Insular Affairs

Representative Eleanor Holmes Norton (Indep) District of Columbia Office phone (in DC): 202-225-8050

Public Works and Transportation

Post Office and Civil Service Committee for the District of Columbia

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Subject: Re: Western folks consider posting your addresses Message-ID: <1991Aug20.174928.29843@rice.edu>

Date: 20 Aug 91 17:49:28 GMT

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Count us in, too.

KTRU-FM

P.O. Box 1892

Houston, TX 77251

713-527-4098

713-527-4093 (FAX)

KTRU is a student-run radio station at Rice University. We broadcast at 50,000 watts, and if there's anything that we can do to relay news from the Soviet Union, we'll do our best.

hk kahng

co-music director

hk kahng | "this compact disc is made from analog masters recorded hk@owlnet.rice.edu | without noise reduction. half the tracks, in fact, were rice university | recorded in a dismal, cheap basement eight-track studio houston, texas | with puddles of water on the floor. digital technology

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Subject: MS Gorborchov ?

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So what do you guys think has happened to MS Gorbechev ?

SMUSS@Husky1.Stmarys.Ca | BREAD IS THE TRUE The Saint Marys University | OPIATE

Sociology Society | OF THE MASSES ----------------------

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Subject: Russian/English Translations of News from SU

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Is someone providing such translations. Where ?

And do almost all the people reading this group know Russian.

I am stumped. Cant understand all the news from SU.

Atul

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Subject: Re: FAX Numbers along with adresses ??

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In article <1991Aug20.173032.6552@smsc.sony.com> george@smsc.sony.com (George Maestri) writes: >

>It seems like communications will become a problem. Maybe we >should also start giving fax numbers as well as suface addresses. >I'm sure there are more fax machines than net news sites in the SU. >Faxes would also be much faster than snail mail.

>Also, if we could start collecting fax machine numbers from our >friends in the SU, we could stay in touch, and distribute news of >important events, much like the Chinese students did two years ago. >

>I can offer my services to keep this list and distrubute it, if >necessary.

>-George

> >================================================================= > George Maestri george@smsc.sony.com

> Sony Microsystems Company {uunet,mips}!sonyusa!george

> 645 River Oaks Pkwy (408)944-4087

> San Jose, CA 95134 fax#(408)954-1057 >================================================================= George V. Glover

2145 Furner St.

El Cajon, CA 92020 Phone: 619-562-9443 Fax: 619-674-1124

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Subject: Re: Yazov

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state.edu!samsung!news.cs.indiana.edu!ariel.unm.edu!lynx!nmsu!opus !ataylor From: ataylor@nmsu.edu (Nosy)

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Subject: avg's posts: translation?

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I hope someone can provide us with translations of avg's

posts as soon as possible.

Thank you.

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state.edu!mips!sgi!roberts@nimrod.wpd.sgi.com From: roberts@nimrod.wpd.sgi.com (roberts)

Newsgroups: soc.culture.soviet,talk.politics.soviet Subject: Surface Address

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Robert Stephens

3725 Swallow Way

Santa Clara, CA 95051

U.S.A.

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Subject: Yazov is out

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NPR just broadcast a report, which they took of the wires, taht Dimitri Yazov(sp?) the defense minister has been replaced on the emergency committee. No explanation was given, except that it was said that he was suffering from unspecified health problems. The report was broadcast at 2:30 pm EDT.

ken taylor

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Subject: Yazov translation

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In talk.politics.soviet you write:

>In article <AAe1IieKE0@jumbo.hq.demos.su> avg@jumbo.hq.demos.su writes: >>Subject: qZOW

>>u NAS PO RADIO PEREDALI ^TO qZOW OTKAZALSQ OT

>>U^ASTIQ W kOMITETE -- ZAQWIL ^TO ON NI^EGO NE

>>ZNAET I NIKOGDA W NEGO NE WHODIL

>>kROME TOGO PEREDALI ^TO mI[A PEREWEZEN W mOSKWU NA BOMBARDIROW]IKE >>

>>wSE \TO IDET SO SSYLKOJ NA |ho moskwy

>>zARABOTALA LI \TA RADIOSTANCIQ ? >>--------------------------------------------------------------->>Igor E. Chechik -- postmaster of St. Peterburg (Leningrad), USSR

Here they say that source of this info is radiostation "eho moscvy" (independent democratic radiostation).

Does that radiostation really start to work?

End of translation.

In previuos russian language postings there were information

about other people (e.g. contr-admiral, vice-major of Leningrad Scherbakov,..) who said that they aren't in any way connected with coup committee.

And that info about their participation in coup and about

their assignments is falsified by conspirators.

--Igor Belchinskiy bil@uunet.uu.net Here and now. --UUNET Technologies, Inc. +1(703)876-5050

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Subject: canadian contact address

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Yet one more address for contact:

Lev Gonick

Department of Political Science

Wilfrid Laurier University Waterloo, ON N2L 3C5 CANADA

Fax: 519 570-1419

Internet: lgonick6@mach1.wlu.ca

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Newsgroups: rec.games.chess,talk.politics.soviet Subject: Report of an imminent attack on Yeltsin Message-ID: <1991Aug20.171856.21176@watson.ibm.com> Date: 20 Aug 91 17:18:56 GMT

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Disclaimer: This posting represents the poster's views, not those of IBM

I heard on CNN that KGB is concentrating forces near the parliament

building for the attack on forces loyal to President Yeltsin.

The attack is expected to be anytime tonight.

Oleg Vihnepolsky

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Subject: Re: COMMUNISM

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Date: 20 Aug 91 19:02:02 GMT

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>>> Communism itself isn't an evil wicked political theory.

There is a similar discussion in soc.culture.china. My opinion is when com-ism failed globe wide, there must be something wrong with its theory. Though I can't say what and where.

F. Wang

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Subject: Re: Gorbachev is still worth more alive. Message-ID: <1991Aug20.142421.20688@dde.dk>

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ai260@cleveland.freenet.edu ("J. Fisher") writes:

>I doubt that Pugov et. al. will kill Gorbachev, a man who was >awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. They may be desparate, but I hope >they're not that stupid. They've already lost enough credibility >around the world without murder too.

Do you really think they care about their credibility around the world?

If they did, there would have been no coup.

Claus Tondering | To do is to be.

-- Nietzsche. Dansk Data Elektronik A/S, Herlev, Denmark| To be is to do. -- Sartre. E-mail: ct@dde.dk | Doo be doo be doo be. -- Sinatra.

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state.edu!usc!apple!ig!cat.syr.edu!anderson From: anderson@CAT.SYR.EDU (Joseph Anderson)

Joseph S. Anderson

411 Snyder Hill Road Ithaca, New York 14850

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state.edu!caen!hellgate.utah.edu!fcom.cc.utah.edu!cc.utah.edu!beez er From: beezer@cc.utah.edu

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Subject: Re: PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU'LL TRY TO E-MAIL TO SOVIET UNION

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In article <AAHW3ieuC1@jumbo.hq.demos.su>, avg@jumbo.hq.demos.su writes...

{...BEFORE SENDING SOMETHING TO SOVIET UNION PLEASE

{THINK TWICE (OR BETTER THRICE).

I'll second that. This is no GAME folks; help - don't hinder. Xref: relcom soc.culture.soviet:845 talk.politics.soviet:3715 Path: relcom!fuug!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-

state.edu!sol.ctr.columbia.edu!emory!utkcs2!michelle From: michelle@cs.utk.edu (Michelle)

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Date: 20 Aug 91 19:07:59 GMT

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Michelle Davison

107 Ayres Hall

Knoxville, TN 37996-1301 michelle@cs.utk.edu

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Subject: Re: Western folks consider posting your addresses

Yazov has resigned. Pavlov is "ill".

Two down, six to go...is the Emergency Committee in trouble? TOOMUCHPRESSURETOOMUCHPRESSURETOOMUCHPRESSURETOOMUCHPRESSURETOOMUC HPRESSURETOO Richard Stueven gak@Corp.Sun.COM ...!attmail!gak ITMUSTSTOPITMUSTSTOPITMUSTSTOPITMUSTSTOPITMUSTSTOPITMUSTSTOPITMUST STOPITMUSTST Path: relcom!fuug!mcsun!uunet!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!usc!apple!ig!cat.syr.ed u!anderson From: anderson@CAT.SYR.EDU (Joseph Anderson) Newsgroups: talk.politics.soviet

Subject: Re: U.S. ambassador to the USSR

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What's missing is some convincing evidence

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Subject: Re: things to come (see the World Monitor)

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In article <1991Aug19.154506.7160@noose.ecn.purdue.edu> muttiah@stable.ecn.purdue.edu (Ranjan S Muttiah) writes: >Interested readers might want to see the interview that Alvin Toeffler

>had with a soviet General about 3-4 months ago on the World Monitor.

>Don't remember the general's name. But a couple of things have already >come to pass:

> 1. Remove Gorbie from power by a Coup.

> 2. Install emergency powers for six (?) months.

>Damn, I threw my copy away thinking the guy was joking.

I saw an article about a high party official (can't remember his name for the life of me...) in the Saturday paper who had become fed up with it and QUIT. In the article, he warned of an impending

coup by Soviet hardliners. Does anyone know of whom I'm thinking? Derrick

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Subject: Re: We Must Rescue Gorbachev !!!

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> john@anasaz writes:

> Msg-ID: <1991Aug19.182945.15899@anasaz>

> Posted: 19 Aug 91 18:29:45 GMT

> Org. : Anasazi, Inc. Phoenix, Az

> Person: John Moore

> In article <3F0B4F9D40E09E18@vax1.umkc.edu>

"talk.politics.soviet via

> ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes:

> ]The fall of Gorbachev is indeed grave news, but I seriously

doubt letters or > ]much else will help. He is out, and I suggest his successors will either

> have

> ]to exile or kill him before the business is done. VMS

> Also, let's consider that Gorbachev, popular as he was here in

the west,

> commands only about 5% loyalty rating in the USSR. Perhaps

Yeltsin can

> help, but Gorby is just too unpopular.

It really makes me mad how quickly people are willing to write off the man who made the democracy movement possible in the Soviet Union and the other Eastern European contries. This includes the ignorant cow, Barbara McDougall, the current Canadian External Affairs minister in my own country.

If Bush, his lapdog Brian Mulroney, Major et al had done more for Gorbachev at the G7 summit, he likely would still be in power. Now, we face the possibility of a long slide back into a cold war -- or worse.

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Subject: The Kremlin Trolls

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From USSR Business August 19, 1991 Vol. 3 Issue 2

A few thoughts..............

I will start by apologizing to Mr. Shevardnadze whose many warnings of an impending coupe I thought to be no more than political grand standing.

Apparently corpses, might, when left lying in the morgue for a period of time, suddenly sit bolt upright and scare the living daylights out of anyone nearby. The movement is supposedly caused by gases, given off by the natural process of putrefaction, in the gut. And that is exactly how I see the coupe.

Now that the Kremlin Trolls are sitting bolt upright, in charge, what on earth are they going to do? To maintain power they will have to deliver something other than a damn good fright. They have nothing to offer the people. If anything, their actions are only

a further squandering of resources. They will not be able to make the economy function by decree nor do they have a new ideology to motivate the people with.

This coupe will collapse in a matter of weeks, if not days. There is simply too much working against it. The reformists are too entrenched....too many republics are opposed......only a few months back, parts of the country were shut down by strikes protesting the slowness -not the direction- of reform......the military is as politically fractured as the society it is expected to control.

Internationally and domestically the coupe's leaders are

isolated. These people are living in their own "group think" fantasy. Either because of desperation or stupidity they have totally disregarded the results of several democratic elections and numerous inter-republic treaties and convinced themselves that they are needed and that they are right. They will not succeed.

I have no opinion to offer on just how much turmoil and

destruction we will see before the coupe ends. I can only pray that the matter will be resolved with a minimum of bloodshed. There is a silver lining to this coupe. The worst fear of the reformers has finally surfaced, it can be dealt with in the open. When the stench clears we will see the beginning of real political and economic reform. There will be no more of the on again off again. The republics will no longer have to look over their shoulder to see if the Kremlin approves.

Rein Stamm

Publisher & Editor

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tporczyk@novell.com (Tony Porczyk) writes: >sharon@unixland.natick.ma.us (Sharon Machlis Gartenberg) writes:

>>incredibly sensitive political situation like the one now unfolding in the >>Soviet Union is ASKING FOR TROUBLE. Who knows what he'll say without meaning >>to that will send some horribly wrong signals?

On the otherhand, perhaps a trained 'wheeler-dealer' used to working out ad-hock intricate and workable deals is exactly the type of person we

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Nathan, I, the net, and the courageous young Russians who are posting on t.p.s. owe you a great debt of gratitude for your translation services. Please keep helping us as much as you

can. So far, I have noticed you, a Finn, and an American trans lating. I am going to attempt to contact all three, and try to set up a system for ensuring that someone is available to translate

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Subject: Re: U.S. ambassador to the USSR Message-ID: <9108201951.AA18989@sonne.cs.UMD.EDU> Date: 20 Aug 91 19:51:27 GMT References: <sharon@UNIXLAND.NATICK.MA.US> Sender: daemon@presto.ig.com

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with the same conspiracy theory. Maybe you are all correct. But please read the group before posting.

have at least three Russians risking their lives to keep information flowing through the last 2400 baud link to the West. Let's keep bad net.ettiquette on other newsgroups.

Message-ID: <1991Aug20.154106.20033@Sugar.NeoSoft.com> Date: 20 Aug 91 15:41:06 GMT

<1991Aug20.150116.18107@news.nd.edu> Organization: Sugar Land Unix -- Houston, TX

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