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Subject: Gorbachev resigned

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Date: 19 Aug 91 04:22:10 GMT

he was also on vacation! The report originated from TASS. Has anyone heard any more?

Eric Rudenshiold

University of Virginia

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Subject: We Must Rescue Gorbachev !!!

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So how about it? Is there anything we can do to help?

If it involves writing letters, please include addresses.

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Subject: Gorbie out: CNN

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Tune in your best news source. CNN says Gorbachev is out.

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The fall of Gorbachev is indeed grave news, but I seriously doubt letters or much else will help. He is out, and I suggest his successors will either have to exile or kill him before the business is done. VMS

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Subject: Soviet Bulletin #16

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On my last day of posting to all three lists, Gorbachev's deposement occurs. CNN is reporting that the US President was told of this development at 2245 CDT. CNN's Steve Hurst reported from Moscow a few moments of ago that an "emergency committee" of the following individuals is now running the Soviet Union, using Mr. Yanayev, the Vice-President as their Acting President. I think it safe to predict he will not last. The "New Reform" committee issued a statement in Moscow declaring in part that their move was made to begin

"overcoming a profound political and economic crisis ... with considerable chaos" in the country. The Committee is made up of the very men who tried to

get at Gorbachev at the Central Committee meetings and failed - Prime Minister Valentin Pavlov, Defense Minister Yazov, Interior Minister Pugo, and KGB Chief Kryuchkov. Reportedly, also the Ministers of Agriculture and Industry are involved. It is reported by CNN that a 6 month state of emergency has been declared, and that troops are out in force in the larger cities. There are those, such as former US Ambassador to the Soviet Union, Arthur Hartmann, who believe that "the genie is out of the bottle," and that these men cannot put it back in. Hartman, interviewed in France, said that this deposement is the CPSU "making its stand," That Mikhail Gorbachev "underestimated" the party stalwarts determination to hold onto to what they have. Hurst predicted a

crackdown, so do I - both against "dissidents and liberals" in the larger areas but also especially in the so-called "rebel republics." The new "union treaty" was to have been signed tomorrow, which one suspects is the reason for this coup. Both Shevardnadze and Yakovlev warned against this, look for trouble

for both these men, and Yeltsin. I suggest that also Gorbachev will be exiled or killed - he is not a Khrushchev, and alive could continue to be a serious problem for the new ruling junta. Lastly, this transition may not immediately cause civil war, but it might over the long haul, espdecially if predicted "draconian measures," (Hurst's words) are imposed. I fear deeply for the people of the USSR. VMS

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Subject: GORBACHEV OUT!

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Disclaimer: Few others have these opinions!

With Gorbachev gone a la Khrushchev, and the hardliners now asserting their

control, a couple issues pop to mind:

a) Is the 6-month "state of emergency" a nice way to say "martial law"?

b) Will the more-nationalistic republics try to break away during this

period of instability?

b') Will we see massive brutal crackdowns by the Army?

b'') Will the Army participate en masse or will we see fracturing?

c) How great is the risk of civil war?

d) How many of us are pretty damned concerned and a little frightened at

what may happen?

Gary Strand When buying and selling are controlled by

legislation, the first things to be bought strandwg@ncar.ucar.edu and sold are legislators. -- P.J. O'Rourke

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Subject: Gorbachev Ousted in Coup (news report)

Summary: conservative coup in USSR

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Late breaking news reports indicate that a hard-liner coup has deposed Gorbachev as leader of the USSR. He was apparently outsed in favor of his conservative Vice President (I missed his name in the news reports and can't remember offhand).

Tass was reporting that a state of emergency lasting six months has been declared in parts of the USSR, due to 'ungovernable conditions'. A council comprising most of the national anti-reform leaders was formed to oversee the state of emergency.

Gorbachev was on holliday in the Crimea, and has not been heard from. The Tass report indicated that the actions were being taken because Gorbachev was suffering from a medical condition that kept him from

being able to rule the country.

The White House reported that it was aware of the reports but that it did not have any information beyond that.

[report via CNN, ABC in moscow, secondarily other networks]

-george william herbert

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Subject: Re: Gorbie out: CNN

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Gorbachev indeed is out for "reasons of helth". Because of that and "other reasons", a de facto coup has taken place in the Soviets, and the power now liest with a committee that includes Yasov, other conservative hard liners, and

the top KGB aides. The full name list has been released but I do not have access to that at this time.

Also, these guys will rule AT LEAST for the next 6 months, and all the local state legistlation has been superseeded by national laws. The speculation seems presently be

and all other things will be heard over the next

few hours.

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Subject: Gorbachev out!

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Subject: Gorbachev out!

Summary: He's gone.

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Ten minutes ago 1:50 am Eastern time the report came in that TASS is saying that the VP has taken over the president's job under Article 127. Gorb is vacationing at the moment but due back Monday. Six month state of emergency in USSR declared by the new president as of 4 a.m. Moscow time jointly with Minister of Defense, Minister of Interior, KGB head, and others. "Reasons of health" are being cited. It's... THE COUP!!

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Subject: Soviet Bulletin #17

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As I reported earlier, the Nikkei index has dropped 1000 points in afternoon trading, CNN is reporting the G7 nations are moving to shore up the currency markets, as the yen and deutschmark are reportedly falling fast, while the dollar is rising. CNN reports also that the independent radio station Moscow Echo has been jammed since the coup began. Hurst reported seeing a column of APC's go past CNN's Moscow Bureau about ten minutes ago, and that earlier a column of 30 APC's were seen headed for a train station in Moscow. The White House admits to being caught flat-footed by this news, and that they had had

no advance warning. The military, KGB, police and CPSU are moving to reposition power in the hands that held it prior to Gorbachev's accession 12 March, 1985. CNN reports at 0112 CDT that the Nikkei index is now down 1350 points. There

is "panic buying" reported on the currency markets. More soon. VMS

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Subject: Amnesty International Address List to U.S./Scandinavia

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The following is a list of addresses and phone numbers of various offices

of Amnesty International. AI is actually a London based organization. Perhaps someone can get and post their address/phone number there.

Amnesty International is generally not interested in the "grand political scheme of things." Rather it simply works for the release of all prisoners of conscience, and for the protection of the basic rights of all people

who find themselves imprisoned. It works toward the abolition of all practices of torture, and toward the abolition of the death penalty.

While AI has worked for the release of "big names" like Andrei Sakharov and and on behalf of Nelson Mandela, it has also worked for countless "lesser names" of people who for whatever reason have found themselves caught in the meat-grinder of authoritarian repression.

So NO ONE is considered "too small" for Amnesty International's help. If your uncle gets shot, your sister arrested, neighbor or friend "disappears" as a result of an "army conscription drive" be it in El Salvador or in the Soviet Union, Amnesty International ought to know about it ... and if it does, it will do what it can to get them released.

So what kind of information is AI interested in:

(1) Names. Who was arrested/shot/detained/etc? THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM. With a name, prisons can be searched. A name is

a person who needs to be accounted for. And interest in a single

person's fate can help the condition of everyone in that person's cell block.

(2) Additional biographical info. Who were the people arrested/shot? Students, workers, intellectuals, human rights activists, religious, children?

(3) Circumstances of arrest. To one's best recollection, what happened? What units appeared to be involved? Were they police, were they army? Where in one's best guess, were they taken?

(4) Best guess on current status. Did the person detained have a medical condition? Is there fear of torture? Etc.

dennis

kriz@skat.usc.edu

Amnesty International -- Finnish National Office ------------------------------------------------

Amnesty International

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SF -- 00180

Helsinki, Finland

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Amnesty International

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Stockholm, Sweden

Tel: +46 8 663 1900

Amnesty International USA -- phone/address list

Nederland, CO 80466

(303) 440-0913

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Regional Offices:

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(617) 623-0202

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(213) 388-1237 (415) 441-3733

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Subject: News from inside the USSR?

In article <4A475AB440E09171@vax1.umkc.edu> "talk.politics.soviet via ListServ" <TPS-L@indycms.iupui.edu> writes: >As I reported earlier, the Nikkei index has dropped 1000 points in afternoon

>trading, CNN is reporting the G7 nations are moving to shore up the currency >markets, as the yen and deutschmark are reportedly falling fast, while the >dollar is rising. CNN reports also that the independent radio station Moscow >Echo has been jammed since the coup began. Hurst reported seeing a column of >APC's go past CNN's Moscow Bureau about ten minutes ago, and that earlier a >column of 30 APC's were seen headed for a train station in Moscow. The White >House admits to being caught flat-footed by this news, and that they had had >no advance warning. The military, KGB, police and CPSU are moving to reposition >power in the hands that held it prior to Gorbachev's accession 12 March, 1985. >CNN reports at 0112 CDT that the Nikkei index is now down 1350 points. There >is "panic buying" reported on the currency markets. More soon. VMS

- in addition to this and previous notes, some tanks have been

seen moving to the vicinity of the Russian parliament house. Speaker for Russian Parliament, said that Boris Yeltsin was

at his home this morning but his present whereabouts are unknown. No further news about Gorbachev. All other news of previous and

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Rumors have it that there will be mass demonstrations in Moscow later today. People expect tons of blood.

Journalists also say that the new regime would be wise not to kill Yeltzin, but it looks htat they will be foolish enough to kill him.

Right now there is an Expatriots Conference going on in Moscow - actually supposed to start tomorrow. Every Soviet dissident abroad was invited. Many had not been there in 20 years. They were very hesitant to go, but with Perestroika - what could go wrong?.... What will happen to them?

It may be helpful if people here alerted the public about the fate of these dissidents, now stuck in Moscow and facing god knows what from the new dictatorship.

Vlad

Disclaimer: my employer may disagree

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Subject: Gorbie

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The "resignation" of Gorbachev has some resemblances to Kruschev's. For

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 91 21:26:48 +0300

УКАЗ

президента Российской Федеративной Соуиалистической республики

Предпринята попытка государственного переворота, отсранен от должности Президент СССР, являющийся Верховным Главнокомандующим Вооруженных Сил СССР. Вице-президент СССР, Премьер-министр СССР, председатель КГБ СССР, Министры Обороны и Внутренних дел СССР

вошли в антиконституционный орган, совершив тем самым государственное преступление. В результате этих действий деятельность законноизбранной исполнительной власти Союза ССР оказалась парализованной.

В сложившейся черезвычайной ситуации постановляю:

1. До созыва внеочередного Съезда народных депутатов СССР все органы исполнительной власти Союза ССР, включая КГБ СССР, МВД СССР, Министерство обороны СССР, действующие на территории СССР, переходят

в непосредственное подчинение избранного народом Президента РСФСР.

2. Комитету государственной безопасности РСФСР, Министерству внутренних дел РСФСР, Государственному комитету РСФСР по оборонным вопросам временно осуществлять функции соответствцющих органов Союза ССР на территории РСФСР.

Все территориальные и иные органы МВД, КГБ и Министерство обороны на территории РСФСР обязаны немедленно исполнять указы и распоряжения Президента РСФСР, Совета министров РСФСР, приказы КГБ РСФСР, МВД РСФСР, Государственного комитета РСФСР по оборонным вопросам.

3. Всем органам, должностным лицам, гражданам РСФСР принять незамедлительные меры к тому, чтобы исключить выполнение любых решений и распоряжений антиконституционного Комитета по черезвычайному положению.

Должностные лица, выполняющие решения указанного комитета,

отстраняются от исполнения своих обязанностей в соответствие с конституцией РСФСР. Органам Прокуратуры РСФСР немедленно принимать меры для привлечения указанных лиц к уголовной ответственности.

Президент РСФСР Б.Ельцин

Москва, Кремль

19 августа 1991 года

N 61

of the President of the Russian Federative Socialist Republic

An attempt of a coup d'etat was taken, the President of the USSR, who is the Commander-in-Chief of the Soviet Army, was dismissed from his post. The Vice President of the USSR, the Prime Minister of the USSR, the Chairman of the Committee on the State Security (KGB) of the USSR, Ministers of Defence and Internal Affairs of the USSR formed an unconstitutional body, therefore commiting a state crime. As a result of this action the activity of constitutional executive power of the USSR was paralised.

In this situation I decree:

2. The KGB of the RSFSR, Internal Ministry of the RSFSR, State Committee of the RSFSR on Defence Problems are prescribed to temporary execute the functions of the corresponding bodies of the USSR on the territory of the RSFSR.

All the territory and other bodies of the Internal Ministry, KGB and

Defence Ministry on the territory of the RSFSR immediately have to obide decrees and orders of the President of the RSFSR, the Consil of Ministers

of the RSFSR, the orders of the KGB of the RSFSR, the Internal Ministry of the RSFSR, the State COmmettee of the RSFSR on Defence Problems.

3. All executive bodies, persons and citizens of the RSFSR have to take immediate actions to prevent the execution of any decrees and orders of

the unconstitutional Commettee on Emergency Situation.

Executive persons, obiding orders of this commettee, are dismissed

from their posts in accordance with the Constitution of the RSFSR. Bodies of the Procurature of the USSR have to immediately take actions to enforce the criminal law onto this persons.

The President of the RSFSR B.Yeltsin

Moscow, Kremlin

August 19, 1991

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Subject: Soviet Bulletin #19

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becoming more pronounced as more and more footage comes in. VMS

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Subject: The fall of Gorbachev

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I truly apologize to TPS-L members who are also subscribers of RUSSIA and/or Val-L about duplicated messages - when I come back online at noon, only RUSSIA will be getting them, with intermittant posts to Val-L if import warrents. Thank you for your patience and tolerance. VMS

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Subject: Soviet Bulletin #18

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The first footage of the APC movements in Moscow were just shown on CNN, and the amount of vehicles was prodigious, and looked most intimidating. CNN is also reporting that the first news Muscovites had was at 0645, roughly 2145 CDT, this morning that the "putsch" had occurred. It is reported that Gorbachev is under "house arrest" in the Crimea, and that my earlier speculation about the timing of the move is probably correct - the union treaty that was to have signed tomorrow will not be, and this is increasingly the apparent reason for the coup occurring now. Hurst sopeculates that Gorbachev's fate will not be learned "for some time." It is speculated that US SAC bombers are on a higher state of readiness, but that no other action is happened at the higher levels of the US military, though Defense Secretary Cheney and the President, both on vacation, have been notified (one US official calling this mess "a serious situation," another downplaying until more facts are known). Yanayev, Misha's immediate successor, is reported to have issued a statement denouncing the

uniontreaty. The Soviet Embassy in Washington is not commenting "at all." The

currently has no Ambassador to Moscow, as Strauss hasn't assumed his duties yet, and Jack Matlock has retired. So, the US' interests are being represented by a Charge d' Affaires, whose name I do not yet know. VMS

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To our net colleagues in Russia, the Baltics and the other Republics

Our thoughts and prayers are with you during this time of

danger and uncertainty

Soviet studies

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soviet@harlan.com

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Subject: An echo ...

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Earlier, John Harlan, owner of the new list RUSSIA, and a dear friend, offered prayers for the peoples of the SU and the Baltics in the wake of this shakeup in Soviet leadership in an obvious sharp shift right. I'm not a praying man but my heartfelt best wishes, deepest concern and hopes for the best possible outcome go to the peoples John referred to, and to the Gorbachevs themselves. Gorbachev's 6 years plus as the Soviet leader have indeed let a "genie out the bottle," can these hardliners of the Soviet right succeed in turning back the clock? I fear for my Soviet and Baltic friends, and even more hope the SU is not torn to pieces by this latest turn. It would be to the detriment of the whole world if such were to occur. Peace, VMS

Path: relcom!demos!fuug!mcsun!uunet!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!mips!apple!ig!skat.usc.edu!kriz From: kriz@SKAT.USC.EDU (KRIZ)

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Subject: Amnesty International Phone/Address List for U.S./Scandinavia Message-ID: <9108190804.AA25133@skat.usc.edu>

Date: 19 Aug 91 08:04:53 GMT

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The following is a list of addresses and phone numbers of various offices of Amnesty International. AI is actually a London based organization. Perhaps someone can get and post their address/phone number there.

So what kind of information is AI interested in:

(1) Names. Who was arrested/shot/detained/etc? THIS IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT ITEM. With a name, prisons can be searched. A name is

Students, workers, intellectuals, human rights activists, religious,

children?

(3) Circumstances of arrest. To one's best recollection, what happened? What units appeared to be involved? Were they police, were they army? Where in one's best guess, were they taken?

(4) Best guess on current status. Did the person detained have a medical condition? Is there fear of torture? Etc.

dennis

kriz@skat.usc.edu

Amnesty International -- Finnish National Office ------------------------------------------------

Amnesty International

Ruoholahdenkatu 24

SF -- 00180

Helsinki, Finland

Tel: +358 0 6931 488

Amnesty International -- Swedish National Office ------------------------------------------------

Amnesty International

Gyllenstiernsgaten 18

S-115 26

Stockholm, Sweden

Tel: +46 8 663 1900

Amnesty International USA -- phone/address list -----------------------------------------------

Urgent Action Office:

AIUSA Urgent Action Network

P.O. Box 1270

Nederland, CO 80466

(303) 440-0913

National Office: DC Office:

Amnesty International USA Ammesty International USA 322 Eighth Ave 304 Pennsylvania Ave, S.E. New York, NY 10001 Washington, D.C. 20003 (212) 807-8400 (202) 544-0200

Regional Offices:

AIUSA Mid-Atlantic AIUSA Midwest

Davis Square Atlanta, GA 30308 Sommerville, MA 02144 (404) 876-5661 (617) 623-0202

AIUSA West/LA AIUSA West/SF

3407 W. 6th St, Suite 704 655 Sutter Street, Suite 402

Los Angeles, CA 90020 San Francisco, CA 94102

(213) 388-1237 (415) 441-3733

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Subject: Soviet Bulletin #20

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CNN is reporting that the Yeltsin press conference is not yet happening, it would appear Yeltsin is, at the least, now only a figurehead, and he too may have been removed by the troika of army/police-(KBG)/party - still is not known. Early reports are that Soiviet troops are moving to shut down an independents TV station in Kaunas, Lithuania, but no confirmation on this yet. THe show of force is larger now than two hours ago. (Please excuse the typos, am going awful fast as all this pours in, and I'm not a good typist anyway. Errors seem to abound when things speed up). VMS

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Subject: Soviet Bulletin #21

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The French News agency is reported to be quoting a Yeltsin spokesperson identified as Pavlov Bashinov as saying that Gorbachev has been placed "Under arrest" by the "committee" that deposed him. He is being held at his "official residence" in the Crimea. A leading reformer in the Red Army who had been recently ousted from the military is reported arrested in the street. The Frankfurt, Tokyo and London markets have all taken sharp dives

downward. 150 APCs have been reported seen in motion in Moscow. An independent TV or radio station in Moscow has been seized by the Red Army, and an independent TV station in Kaunas, Lithuania, is reported surrounded by the Red Army. The NATO political committee is to meet in emergency session in a few hours. VMS

Path: relcom!demos!fuug!mcsun!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!utgpu!watserv1!watdragon!dahlia.waterloo.edu!pchlau From: pchlau@dahlia.waterloo.edu (Patrick Lau)

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Subject: "Koo" (?) (Re: Gorbie out)

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Hi!

I have been watching these report about Gorbachev removed

from power and this term "koo" (?) has repeatedly been used. Can someone tell me what it means?

Thanks.

Patrick.

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From: avg@jumbo.hq.demos.su (Vadim Antonov)

Date: Mon, 19 Aug 91 17:00:47 +0200

ПРОСЬБА ПЕРЕДАТЬ В МЕСТНЫЕ СОВЕТЫ, ИСПОЛКОМЫ И РАСПРОСТРАНИТЬ

В ТРУДОВЫХ КОЛЛЕКТИВАХ, МВД, СА И НА УЛИЦАХ ===============================================================

К ГРАЖДАНАМ РОССИИ

В ночь с 18 на 19 августа 1991 года отстранен от власти

законно избранный Президент страны.

Какими бы причинами не оправдывалось это отстранение, мы

имеем дело с правым, реакционным, антиконституционным переворотом. При всех трудностях и тяжелейших испытаниях, переживаемых

народом, демократический процесс в стране приобретает все более глубокий размах, необратимый характер. Народы России становятся хозяевами своей судьбы. Существенно ограничены бесконтрольные права неконституционных органов, включая партийные. Руководство России заняло решительную позицию по Союзному договору, стремясь

к единству Советского Союза, единству России. Наша позиция по этому вопросу позволила существенно ускорить подготовку этого Договора, согласовать его со всеми республиками и определить дату его подписания - 20 августа с.г.

Такое развитие событий вызывало озлобление реакционных сил, толкало их на безответственные, авантюристические попытки решения слож-

нейших политических и экономических проблем силовыми методами. Ранее уже предпринимались попытки осуществления переворота.

Мы считали и считаем, что такие силовые методы неприемлемы. Они дискредитируют СССР перед всем миром, подрывают наш престиж в мировом обществе, возвращают нас к эпохе холодной войны и изоляции Советского Союза от мирового общества.

Все это заставляет нас объявить незаконным пришедший к власти так называемый комитет. Соответственно, объявляем незаконными

все решения и распоряжения этого комитета.

Уверены, органы местной власти будут неукоснительно следовать конституционным Законам и Указам Президента РСФСР.

Призываем граждан России дать достойный ответ путчистам и требовать вернуть страну к нормальному конституционному развитию.

Безусловно необходимо обеспечить возможность Президенту страны

ГРОБАЧЕВУ выступить перед народом. Требуем немедленного созыва Чрезвычайного съезда народных депутатов СССР.

Мы абсолютно уверены, что наши соотечественники не дадут

утвердиться произволу и беззаконию потерявших всякий стыд и

совесть путчистов. Обращаемся к военнослужащим с призывом проявить высокую гражданственность и не принимать участия в реакционном перевороте.

До выполнения этих требований призываем к всеобщей бессрочной забастовке.

Не сомневаемся, что мировое сообщество даст объективную оценку циничной попытке правого переворота.

И.О. Председателя Верховного Совета РСФСР (подпись) Хасбулатов Р.И.